Bruins’ coach Julien explains Seguin’s sitting situation
There’s no doubt the hockey people also saw a chance to add a youngster with the type of NHL skill set the team previously lacked, and even better work him in slowly in a complementary role on the second or third line. However, for reasons the people paid to predict these things failed to foresee, Seguin regressed from the fast start of rookie camp and the rookie games to the point where he couldn’t be trusted to play on a top-three line, let alone get power-play time.
It’s impossible to know right now if a year racking up minutes and points in the OHL this season would’ve been better than a year in a bit role on the NHL roster. Players that have gone on to greatness or obscurity have been handled both ways throughout the years, whether it’s Joe Thornton’s part-time start to his career or Steve Stamkos’ second-half logging of major minutes playing out the string with a bad Tampa Bay squad.
The answers to questions about the Bruins’ handling of Seguin won’t be revealed for years to come. The answer to any queries about his present however are easy: the Bruins still have high hopes for his future but don’t see him as much of a help for the present.
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Clause… LOL. That damn Santa!
I think I meant clod.
Jay, Bet you a beer Seguin is not on the play off roster.
Yelled at my TV for the first time in a long time against NYI.
Claude REFUSES to adjust. The other teams all go to where the Bruins are going to pass out of their zone.
It is so obvious, they go there before the BRuins player does.
Clause SUCKS!
Just wait till the end of the season. Anything less than an extra $3million in way of a cap increase=no way to get Ryder
Ryder = Wheeler with even less effort. Get him off of the roster entirely, and adjust accordingly.
If seguin played on ANY other team he would be high flying and hitting his stride by now. Instead, he gets trapped w clod, learning to be a mucker instead of an offensively skilled playmaking scorer. Really glad pc and clod could get more muckers like Kelly and paille in the lineup, everyone knows how important it is to have a lineup full of forwards who r good in their own zone.
I do think letting Seguin experience a little power play time wouldn’t hurt. He certainly can’t make it any worse and he has good hands.
Our powerplay sucks and even worse it seems to get progressively worse as a game progresses. Without a good power play we are going to get eaten alive in the play offs.
Can’t send Seguin to Providence. You have to be 20 yrs old to be in the AHL, for some reason which I can’t remember. I know there was a loophole with Petr Kalus as he played here when he was 18 or 19.
I think Seguin should get a little time on our ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE power play. A couple minutes on the 2nd pairing wouldn’t hurt. Unlike others, he has shown that when he shoots, he can actually finish and has a good shot. He was playing well, and I think time on the 3rd line would be good for him. He is also very fast. Anyone else notice that the Bruins have lots of problems against teams that can skate like Seguin does? I have. In regards to inconsistency, would you call Ryder consistently good? Anyone who has watched this team knows that’s bull crap. He is CONSISTENTLY below average, even poor.
Ryder floats around, turns over way too many pucks, single handedly kills attacks in both zones, holds on to the puck too long, doesn’t stick with his defensive responsibilities, shoots the puck all over the place, and the list goes on. If you sit younger players for far less, shouldn’t veterans who consistently make even worse mistakes and play poorly consistently also sit?
Some of you guys seem to think Seguins benching is all Juliens doing. You do realize that Neely and Chiarelli attend every game and that the coach and GM meet regularly to discuss the roster. The Pres and GM would not sit idle if they thought Seguin should be playing and they wouldn’t of signed Kelly and Peverly if they thought Seguin could fill either role. The Seguin scratch is a B’s management decision.
Also, Seguin is getting the opporntunity to skate, travel ,and practice with an NHL team. To learn from veterans what it takes to be a professional. To learn what it takes to play in the NHL. He’s too young to play in Providence and lighting it up in the OHL another year wouldn’t do him any good either. Either way, what ever happens, Seguin is going to learn fom this and be a better player for it.
Although Edmonton and Boston are in different boats, does anyone actually think the Bruins are capable of winning the cup this year? A team that has a losing record against the west, and at any point in time seemingly has only one line rolling? I don’t think the “playoff team” argument is completely valid for these reasons. Yes, the Bruins are better than the Oilers, but do you really think we can beat Philly / Vancouver / Red Wings / Canucks in seven games? I don’t.
I think he should be getting consistent minutes with the same line mates so he would have a chance to get into a groove. I thought he looked like he was starting to play well on the fourth line with Campbell and Thornton – and I think it would have done the same thing for him that it did for Marchand. Get him some confidence playing blue collar hockey and give him time to learn how to play the corners, then let him loose to go score.
I don’t see what the big deal is. How many times have we heard Julien speak of how having two number one goalies is never a bad thing? This is no different.
If Julien did not think that Seguin would be a helpful piece to our playoff puzzle, he would have sent him down and brought Caron. After I saw Caron play in those first couple of games I could tell he was NHL ready. So it’s not like Seguin isn’t earning his seat in the Bruins dressing room. He is here cause Julien wants him here.
Going deep into the playoffs, we have to assume that one of our 12 forwards will get injured, so I am assuming that Tyler Seguin will be playing as a regular on our team during the playoffs, same with Paille. Having said that, Julien is probably thinking the same thing, which is why he is playing both guys, so that neither one gets “stale.”
We have great depth on forward for the playoffs, and Seguin will get the playoff experience he needs, and it will show in his play next year, not like we are already looking at next year. We should be looking at the playoffs. Paille and Seguin are both capable third liners and have been playing on the fourth line.
So, my message to all Bruins fans … “Relax, take it easy. Julien knows what he is doing. Calm down.”
Anyone paying close attention can see Seguin’s inconsistency, and he’s not the type of player you want on the 4th line, so it’s a catch-22. Expect him to sit playoff games when everyone’s healthy, but since that rarely is the case after a few games, he’ll be back in. The question is where, and I like the idea of a test run with Bergy, to see if that works a bit.
I could be wrong but don’t remember Seguin playing with Bergeron at all yet. If that is true then I would kill to see March – Bergeron -Seguin for one or two games. I know Seguin needs time to develop but its close to the end of the season and don’t see where it could hurt trying Seguin on the top two lines to see what he can do. The first line is playing so well, why not give Seguin a game on the wing with Krejci and Lucic? All Claude needs to do is scratch a guy here and there as a rest and not a punishment.
I’d say because we are a solid playoff contender we could have lived with Seguins mistakes the first half of the year. Playing 6-9 minutes a night is not much grooming. Sitting him after he makes a mistake is ridiculous. Do it to Ryder, or Lucic they make plenty of mistakes.
How can Seguin make the powerplay worse ? Julien simply can’t or won’t see any of Tyler’s strengths which is to line the kid along the half wall for onetimers. Prior to Paille’s most recent starts Tyler was playing very well then Julien halts it.
Dave its not your fault you were born in jersy it though that u choose to live there.I fully understand that hes been in hockey most of his life.But he’s probably been the best player on the ice.He was left of f the canadien team and he had a great junior season to prove he was the best.He has no chance to prove it herePay attention dave Ready! skating 6 minutes a game or benching him is not the answer.Maybe you should stick to fist pumping and tanning..
My main problem is that every mistake the kid makes, he sits for a long time. I realize he makes more mistakes than a veteran, but sometimes I feel like it would be better when he mistakes to throw him right back out and let him adjust on the fly.
Except for the very, very rare Lemieux or Crosby, every player pays his dues. His confidence isn’t being ruined. He’s being groomed, and as 18 year old who has been in hockey circles all his life, he understands it. The only people who don’t understand it are armchair quarterbacks like Greg here.
canofcloud..I understand fully about the difference of halls situation.Dont think I mentiond hall.My point is claude is a fraud and he is killing this kid.Where would he be with good ice time to this point?we don’t know because either he is sitting or skating 6 min sometines. 10 second shifts.Claud has this team playing so gritty they have to fight for every goal.I feel tyler will make mistakes and he is a work in progress but whats is being done to him doesn’t make sense.If they gave points for skating with the puck not passing and then coughing it up ryder would lead the league but lets keep him out there.I’ve been a Bruin fan for a long time and this kid could be a sniper that we haven’t had in a long time.Claude is a relic and puts too much into veterans vs rookies.After last year he has no buisness being behind an nhl bench.
I don’t know that you can say Seguin being in the line up was why we were winning. You can just as easily argue that we were winning with Wheeler in the line up and now that he is gone we are losing.
I do think Seguin isn’t really suited for the 4th line and I also think Paille is pretty terrible-sure he skates fast and he is a decent penalty killer , but beyond that I am not impressed.
I wonder if a shuffle in the lines wouldn’t help when Seguin does play wouldn’t be a better choice-maybe moving Kelly to the 4th or even Recchi or shoot move Marchand back who definitely blossomed on that line. If Seguin is screwing up right and left and produces nothing-then Julien can resuffle the lines and shorten his ice time later in the game.
I do think there is a world of difference for rookie development on a play off bound team verses a team that is rebuilding.
MattK, do you have an opinion on the age rules for players like Seguin? IMO it screwed the Bruins with Seguin this year. He played well enough for 9 games to make the team but there have been times where a stint in Providence would really have benefitted him, probably their 1st line center playing every night. I think the rules put the Bruins in a tough position; they had to predict how Seguin would play all season and fit into a lineup of a playoff team based on the pre-season and 9 games of regular season. At the same time, I don’t think another year of juniors would have helped his development.
It still can’t be ignored that the Bruins were winning with Seuin in the lineup and losing when he sits…coincidence?
@Greg: I don’t think you fully understand the difference between Seguin & Hall this year. Seguin is in a playoff team that has a good shot at hoisting the cup this year, while Hall is playing for a team that is rebuilding. Of course Hall will get more opportunities to make mistakes, recover and put up points. Seguin does not have that luxury this year in terms of ice time, and playing on 1st-2nd line.
You need to work with players like Seguin instead of rushing him and throwing him into the battlefield just because he is a second overall pick. Honestly, did you really think Seguin would have been an impact player potting 25+ goals, 60points this year? I sure didn’t.
I don’t like Paille either, but Seguin has been very inconsistent this year. It’s understandable to a certain extent, but he needs to realize that he’s got to be hungrier on the ice.
Where exactly do you put Seguin on this team besides the fourth line for now? The got Kelly for his experience at center and PK. He’s a solid third line center and is a lot more reliable in the playoffs than Seguin at this point. The bruins did not get Kelly to have him play as a fourth line winger, by the way. Seguin is not ready to carry the load on the third line yet.
Claude Julien’s days may be numbered if the Boston Bruins don’t make it to the Conference Finals.
More of the same from this fraud.He belongs on the ice more than pallie,campbell and kelly.But claude knows best.They have messed with this kids confidence.You cant fit a square block into a round hole..He wants to take a crosby type player and turn him into Lucic.The kelly deal was bad lets call it what it is and put him on fourth line and get rid of pallie for a bag of pucks.Claude’s days are numbered .Lets hope it’s not too late to recover this kid from Claude has done to him.