Raymond
BOSTON — As far as awkward collisions go, the one that knocked Vancouver forward Mason Raymond out of tonight’s Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Final has to be near the top of the charts.
The winger spun around and went into the corner with his back to the glass and Bruins defenseman Johnny Boychuk sort of riding his front.
Here’s a look at it:
After the Bruins’ 5-2 win that forced Wednesday night’s Game 7, Boychuk was clueless as to what had happened.
“I don’t even know what happened to him,” said the defenseman. “I think [it was just awkward].”
Raymond was taken to the hospital. Canucks coach Alain Vigneault offered no update on the player after the game.
Published By mattk Tue. June 14, 2011 12:33 am EDT
Congratulations to the Bruins!! I must say what the fans are doing here in Vancouver… makes me ashamed to be a Canadian…again Congratulations…I hope we can meet up next year again!!! A Canuck fan.
honestly, i think we just need to play the game the way it was meant too….clean, hard, and tough! Hits are meant to be taken, at the same time, penalties are meant to be given. I am a canadian, and i am a vancouver fan, a “troll” i am not, a fair person, i am!! I do not agree with any of the hits/penalties that have been called, or not called, in this series or others, so far….i will agree with the lack of respect for a fallen player, be it your own, or the other teams…..it was the first thing i noticed, and couldnt help but feel sorry for raymond as he was being helped off the ice….as it appeared the injury wasnt serious, given his movements, the fact that we now know the extent of his injuries, and the fact that he could even “somewhat” get up in the first place, deserves to be applauded in itself. However regardless, and to the point, he deserved recognition at the time!! To those of you saying people clapped, maybe heard some light clapping, if that, and regardless of taunting luongo, theres a time and a place….class would have been acknowledging the situation, and stepping back and waiting till after all was done! The taunting came after raymond had been down for a bit, and was had my at least half the crowd, and as ive been to many games, i know enough to say that its obvious when something like an injured player, is down!! As for players diving, its all about perspectives, but at the end of the day, i havent heard too many canucks comments regarding bruins players, and if so, in passing, given this is a playoff run, things are going to be, and get heated. Calling fans trolls, and whiners, on adds fuel to the fire….we have many canadian news stations reporting that canuck fans at the bruins games, are not comfortable wearing their jerseys, to support thier team,as they’ve been taunted and badgered. I wouldnt call that class or respectful at all. As for riots, we are not the only city that has “some” crazy fans that cater to that nonsense….. Basing your perspectives on a few losers, doesnt make for good sportsmanship….all angles and factors need to be examined here……its unfortunate that everyone just cant congratulate and stop it with the name- calling…from both sides, its very disappointing! As i see it as both boston and vancouvers issues, not just one or the other…….i get that we are fighting to win, but with attitudes like this, no one wins! As there will be a winner, i think all have played well, and may the best team win, and the one who doesnt, keep their heads up for future years!;)
No, you just have no intelligent thoughts, so you troll.
Oh Clemens…I hit a nerve…..lol.
Oh yeah, I’m sure MTL wouldnt boo a Bruins player if he was laying on the ice. And where did this national anthem crap come from? No one has booed it this series. The only time that happened was after Canada booed the US anthem, like 5 years ago. And the Bruins weren’t even involved in that series. That’s some weak trolling.
The way I see it…which ever team wins…it was Canadian all the way…Bruins have 17 Canadians and 3 Americans…Canucks have 17 Canadians and 5 Americans. It is definately a Canadian sport!
No where else would anyone boo a player when injured and removed from the ice…but in the USA.
Even when the Canadian anthem is sung..only in the USA do they boo it……..How sad…..
And I suppose Alex Edler (boarding on Peverley) was attempting to play the puck for an icing call and not to injure in the 1st period?
Give it a rest ‘Nuck fans.
Agree with Steamer 100%. NHL tried to mold the game into something different without any consistancy in the what constitutes a penalty, directly influencing how teams try to draw them for a man-advantage. They took out the 2-line offside to create speed and it has partly backfired with the ridiculously violent (intentional or not) collisions in the neutral zone and at the blue lines. Can anyone imagine there was no ‘rule’ for a blindside hit to the head? I’m not saying newer rules are bad and should be changed back, I’m saying the NHL has to catch up to what they have created with consistent penalties and rulings. The players have to be smarter with their decisions. I’m hoping for a game like game 7 vs Tampa which was physical all the way through but the players gave the refs no reason to get involved.
I think what can be held up here is that NHL needs some sort of rule similar to hitting a defenseless player like in the NFL. The Horton injury would not have happened. This would not have happened. The more I look at the replay the more Boychuk should have gotten a penalty … The puck went through his legs. He finished his check according to some. The play was on other side of ice FFS. Clear interference.
Until players , fans and the NHL gets it right with two seasons, two types of what’s called mentality, and eye for eye thinking…. players will get hurt. Ask Steve Moore, ask Horton ask Mason raymond. The NHL is a mockery on rules . muggings thuggins, floppery and ploppery. Its a shame because there has some good hockey. Lets both fans hope , no more get hurt, and it’s a good clean hard fought battle tommorow night. If the ref’s mess this up again , for all I know Vancouver might riot again.
I find it kind of ironic that Raymond skated off without a stretcher, despite having broken vertebrae when Horton gets taken off on a stretcher despite a few cobwebs. Not sure if Rome would’ve even been suspended if had Horton skated off on his own. I don’t know how any trainer would even let Raymond get up off the ice. Not sure if that did further damage but it may have. He’s now apparently out 3-4 months.
RD, were you there? I was there. There were no chants directed at Raymond. That is fantasy. There were lots of people who probably suspected he was faking, because that is what many Vancouver players (Lapierre, both Sedins, Burrows, to name a few) have been doing for 2 weeks now. To be honest, I am not even sure there were chants ongoing after the whistle. If there were, there are only two possibilities: 1, “lets go bruins” or 2, Luoooonnnnngooo.
No one was chanting as he was escorted off the ice. When he was taken off, the crowd gave him a golf clap. He was helped off on skates. He wasn’t taken out by stretcher. It didn’t look that serious. I think, all things considered, the golf clap was appropriate.
It doesn’t surprise me that the crowd has reacted this way. They’ve been whipped into a frenzy. They were told the Canucks were fakers. They were mad at Luongo for making comments about Thomas. They were mad at Burrows for biting Bergeron’s finger.
They were mad at Lapierre for being such a pest and scoring the winner in game 5. Most of all, they were mad that Horton was injured and taken out with yet another head shot. They wanted to smash things and they absolutely hate Vancouver.
You can’t talk out of both sides of your mouth. If you want blood before the game, you’re going to be perfectly satisfied when you get it during the game.
It’s not unique to Boston either. In Montreal, there will be some creeps would have been the same.
They didn’t clap for Raymond because they didn’t want to . They made chants because that’s exactly what they wanted to do.
MCK, you’re seriously dishonest if you try to convince us that they were chanting Luongo while Raymond lay on the ice. Also, it must have been like 4 people clapping in the rafters because it sure as hell wasn’t audible or visible.
I don’t blame Boychuk for this in the least. He almost seemed to let up before they hit the boards as though Raymond was already in trouble. He certainly didn’t drill him, and he certainly didn’t do anything illegal on the play.
The chant was “Luongo,” nobody saw the hit where I was sitting and we were just pumped to see some SCF hockey. They didn’t show a replay. We cheered when he got up. Quiet everyone
This is stupid. People clapped when he got up. People were chanting about other stuff when he got hurt. Enough already
Steamer,
I’m surprised and disappointed the crowd didn’t clap when he got off the ice with what was obviously an injury, that was not cool.
I could see it as a penalty in the regular season injury or no, although I think it could just as easily have not been called a penalty. By the time the hit happened, it looked like Boychuck was doing damage control, he could have not hit Raymond, but that would have been a poor hockey decision, leaving the ice wide open. Instead he opted for a weird, slow hit, that apparently tweaked Raymond the wrong way. I was surprised to see raymond go down because the hit was slow, and while awkward, I can’t really tell what got injured, even after watching the replay a few times. To be fair, I really do think he is injured, as I have already said, he is one of Van’s few honest players. I was concerned when I realized who it was.
I’d agree that no suspension is warranted, and I think the lack of call was largely to set up the decision to not suspend boychuck.
This is what would happen if the league were reasonable. As we have seen, that is not true (beacuase Burrows would have missed game 2, possibly game 3, and Rome would have played last night.)
The league’s suspension on Rome could be as much for his protection as for the crime, and I definitely feel like there is some posturing for next season involved.
Bruins Fans,
The Rome hit and Boychuk thing are two different beasts.
The question I have for the Boston? do you think this should have been a penalty for interference ?
Love the hometown class for not even applauding when some gets hurt… True hockey fans at least applaud… Oh Yeah i can see the Boston trolls say well it’s hard to tell when a Canuck is actually hurt?
Personally I think the refs blew a few calls last night but it was not the reason we lost.
No suspension on this one though.
Game 7 in our house. The stuff we all grew up thinking about as a kid . Momentum Bruins. Next goal wins.
wow, that totally sucks. what a weird play. didnt even look like much contact
He won’t be back on wednesday. The reports are a suspected fractured vertabrae. Gone for four to six months. He’s a solid player and one of the Canucks I like. Wish him well.
George, not sure the Hamhuis injury was a “freak accident” I think he tried too hard to make a momentum-swinging hit and it worked out poorly.
When I saw a player from Vancouver lying on the ice last night, I wasn’t sure who it was and was immediately cynical, but upon seeing it was Raymond, I believed him. He is one of the few Canucks who hasn’t been a jerk or diver. The crowd didn’t sound supportive, which is sad. I can’t really tell what Raymond’s injury is either though. Hopefully he fully recovers.
No one was chanting at Raymond. No fan should be ashamed of themselves for assuming he was faking either.
If the fans were taunting Raymond they should be ashamed of themselves, but on tv I really couldn’t tell what the chant was. I really think that was a freak injury just like how Hamhuis was hurt while he was finishing his check. It looked me Boychuk totally laid off the hit and Raymond hit the boards awkwardly with not a lot of force compared to a normal check. Raymond must be a tough SOB skating off the ice with a potential cracked vertebrae, hope he recovers 100%.
Murphy and the NHL are morons. I think they have proven that over the last 2 years, and their oversight of the finals has been no different
Yes mike Murphy said Rome was suspended because the hit was late and the severity of Hortons injury, but he also said there was no evidence burrows bit Bergeron so……..
McTeagle, you can’t change the nature of the Boston crowd. The narrative all week has been how Vancouver fakes everything so it comes as no surprise that the fans would act this way. People toss the word ‘class’ around all the time but to truly be classy is another story.
Anyways, this was just a weird play. Boychuck didn’t appear to do anything to hurt the guy, he just got hurt in this case.
Broken hip, broken pelvis…you name it, it looks painful.
It is just hard to care at all about the welfare of any of their players at this point, especially with the comments made in the wake of Horton’s concussion by Sedin and even Rome.
I’ve got nothing against Raymond. Good player. And, importantly, for a not-so-big guy, he goes to the corners and takes hits when he has to, without diving. That’s why the fans should have given him the benefit of the doubt and not assumed he was diving. He’s not a Sedin or Lapierre.
First, Murphy himself said Rome’s hit was a full second late and that the hit did indeed make contact with the head. The extreme lateness was the main reason why it was a penalty though. Note the word “penalty” here.
Second, why would Boychuk be suspended? Players are not suspended for being involved in ANY play that results in injury. They are suspended for an illegal play that results in an injury. Boychuk did not commit a penalty.
It was awful to see Raymond go down and out of the game, and to hear the crowd chant nonsense at him, if that’s what they were doing (I couldn’t tell, but it didn’t sound friendly). And that was the one disappointment to me from last night. No matter how much diving Van has been doing, if the guy is on the ice that long I think it’s probably safe to assume there’s something wrong. I guess like a previous poster said, without the instant replay like we get on tv, it’s a lot less obvious for the fans at the Garden what is going on. I’d like to think the response would have been different otherwise.
As well it should be. Rome deserved more.
i thought the crowd was chanting HORTON???
Not quite sure how I am a troll. I’m just stating facts. Rome’s hit was just under a half second late actually. When Mike Murphy announced the suspension he said the only thing wrong with the hit was that it was late. For a hit like that, 5 and a game should have been enough. As I said, neither hit warranted a suspension. I’m guessing that little rat Gary Bettman got involved in that process, incidentally. There is no way that he was going to let Aaron Rome come back in this series. If it had happened in game 1, you can bet it would’ve been a 6 game suspension.
Um no, they suspended Rome because his hit was a second late straight to Hortons head… Boychuk didn’t do anything, they just got tangled. Man, damn Trolls!
The crowd was actually chanting ‘Flopper’, not Luongo. Pretty classy eh? Since the NHL clearly suspended Rome based solely on the injury to Horton (I guess you could also add because Rome isn’t a star player), it will be interesting to see if Boychuk gets a suspension on that play. IMO neither Boychuk or Rome deserve suspensions, but the NHL set the bar giving Rome a suspension 4 times longer than anyone in Stanley Cup Final history. Let’s see if they are consistent. I would bet my right arm and my left nut that there won’t be a suspension. Yet another reason why the NHL is a complete joke.
Boychuck’s stick looked to be low and between their bodies not between his legs or in his feet. Also when contact was made the puck was under their feet-they were both going for the puck and the body and just got tied up in a sort of slow motion hit. Looks like the position is why he was injured-that hit was really slow.
Hope he is okay.
I thought the taunting was a bit mean-but the fans in the arena didn’t have NBC to show them replays. That hit and injury ended up being away from the play because another Canuck picked up the puck and took a shot. Fans were watching the play and all the sudden a player is down. They probably didn’t have a clue why or what had happened.
There’s a plexus at the tail end of the spine.
His coccyx pad might not have helped because of the angle his butt goes into the board. His legs got numb on impact.
The fact that he didn’t come back and made it to the hospital on a stretcher may indicate damage to the nerve patch that’s there and that’s not good news.
At first I thought Boychuck stick check caught Raymond’s balls, but it appears not so on second look.
Good Luck Mason.
@John why are you turning this into a which hit was worse thing? We are talking about one incident and everything that happened relating to it.
And it appeared as though Boychuck went back to check on Raymond once he realized he was down. A tad more “sportsmanship” than was displayed by the entire Vancouver organization, denying that the Rome play was a dirty hit.
@Brad. I can’t speak for the crowd, because I wasn’t there. I was just trying to speak to what they might have been thinking. It looked like a pretty innocent play, even though the result was bad. On TV, it was pretty clear it was a serious injury, but it may not have been as apparent in the arena
@Clemens sure those things aren’t very sportsmanlike, but sportsmanship is being sportsmanlike despite the opponent being unsportsmanlike…. if you follow me.
@Brad I get what youre saying, but sportsmanship is not faking or diving in the first place. If the ‘nucks weren’t flopping all series the fans wouldn’t have booed. But like my initial post said, i was disappointed about the booing, but I can understand why.
I was at the game. The fans weren’t booing, they were taunting Luongo. Not that that’s any better, but the game had just started and the fans were really into it.
@John, oh absolutely, that’s what I meant by the boy who cried wolf. All the ‘nucks dive so much that it’s impossible to tell when they’re actually hurt. And I’m sure all that most fans saw was another Vancouver player on the ice after a seemingly innocent play. Just a freak accident and I hope the guy is ok. Now let’s go Bs! Actually show up in Vancouver for once!
@John that makes it OK? How about when he was being basically dragged off the ice? No applause then.
Sportsmanship isn’t about not doing it because you think he may be faking. It’s about doing it even though you know he is faking.
@Clemens, never like to see an injured played booed. But its getting tough to tell when these ‘nucks are injured, and when theyre diving. Thats probably what the crowd was thinking
Broken butt? I mean pelvis bone?
Haha oh the Trolls will come out in full Force on this one. But I must say, and this is coming from a Boston Diehard, I was very disappointed by the booing and chanting while he was down. I realize it’s the boy who cried wolf situation, but it’s still shameful the crowd sunk to that level. Beantown is better than that.
‘Nucks fans can complain all they like. Clean play. My guess, broken leg.
Puck goes by Raymond @ 0:15 and Boychuck crunches him @ 0:20. You can’t tell me this isn’t a penalty.
But what’s worse was the crowd booing and then chanting “Let’s go Bruins” while be is being lead off the ice looking worse for wear.
Get ready for the 2 seconds late and Rome on Horton comparisons.